Amazon Asks Court To Halt Microsoft’s Work on Pentagon ‘War Cloud’

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  • They are only upset that they didn’t get the contract.


    Amazon doesn’t have ethics.

    • Of course it’s about the money not the ethics.

      It’s not just this $10 billion either, once locked in to one cloud provider that tap will keep running for decades.

    • Keep in mind when the contract was first put up, the requirements were made to such that only Amazon met them. Then companies like google and MS complained which they had every right to do about the fact it was seemingly tailored to amazon. Now that requirements were tailored to them thanks to previous admin amazon is whining cause they lost blaming everyone else like the president.

      • "Prev admin"?  Which administration was that?  The RFP originally was published in July 26, 2018 according to the GAO (as per site beta.sam.gov).

  • Have to use that one with management some time when asking to use the cloud. “Oh no, it’s not the cloud. We’re getting a War Cloud!”

    Then you can have a war cloud to go with your war room.

    • “War Cloud”?


      Noxious Vapor?


      Divine Wind?


      Poison Gas?

      • When the F-35 passes over with it’s War Cloud, it is going to leave behind a War Trail.

        It’s like a chemtrail, except instead of blathering like an idiot you just explode and leave a giant crater.

    • Everything is the cloud.

      War cloud, public cloud, private cloud, the cloud.

      Cloud. Cloud. Cloud. Cloud. Cloud. Cloud.Cloud. Cloud.

      • The cloud, egg, sausage, and cloud hasn’t got much cloud in it.

    • And if they say no apparently you’re supposed to blame Trump.

    • So freedom of the press is contingent on whether it hurts the president’s feelings?

      • So freedom of the press is contingent on whether it hurts the president’s feelings?

        Apparently, it is with this President — at least judging by what he constantly says about the Press.

      • Freedom comes with a cost. If you post 98% negative articles about someone you want to do business with then yes your cost is doing business with them. Just as if you want to be President of the USA and have what is considered an asshole demeanor it comes with the cost of having 98% of articles written about you to be negative. I’ll take asshole President over liberal cuck policies any day though. You can have your Carter or your Obummer.

        • So when you do business with the US government you now do business with the sitting President and not with the US as a state?

  • Defense contracting is good money, but crap PR. The ability to (disingenuously, since they clearly really wanted this contract) claim the moral high-ground over Microsoft as not selling out to the worst part of the American government has to be worth something.

    • Sure, but it’s obviously not worth $10 billion.

    • selling out to the worst part of the American government

          Are you referring to the DoD? The part of the US government that has managed to attain and maintain *everything you have and everything you will ever have* in complete and utter safety and security? And done similarly for a large fraction of the world for 70-80 years? Including defending your right/ability to make a complete an utter fool of yourselves in public?

      • No, that hasn’t existed since at least 1950. I’m talking about the one that carries out wars of adventure slaughtering locals, torturing prisoners, and sending soldiers to die senselessly. All of this while being criminally mismanaged and carrying on boondoggles like the B-2 and F-35.

        What American military action Vietnam or Iraq had anything to do with freedom?

        • Ask any of the Vietnamese or other SE Asian refugees who have resettled in the US about freedom. I’m sure they could educate you.

        • We can attribute the last 30-40 years of your list to Congress and the civilians in the Executive branch. After Vietnam, DoD decided they’d had enough, but they are under Executive branch civilian control so when those jerks wanted a war, DoD had to oblige. Any other hobgobblins from which you are running?

      • selling out to the worst part of the American government

        Are you referring to the DoD? The part of the US government that has managed to attain and maintain *everything you have and everything you will ever have* in complete and utter safety and security? And done similarly for a large fraction of the world for 70-80 years? Including defending your right/ability to make a complete an utter fool of yourselves in public?

        Since WWII the US has fought more than a dozen wars directly and many, many more by proxy. The resulting death toll has been in the millions. Look it up if you’re really interested and then tell us how many of them were for the “safety and security” of the US and how many were fought for our “right/ability to make a complete an utter fool of yourselves in public?” Are you that naive to believe that they’re “fighting for your way of life”?

  • Both Microsoft and Amazon have no problem supporting the US war machine.

    • Both Microsoft and Amazon have no problem supporting the US war machine.

      As do aircraft companies. As do auto makers. As do farmers and food companies. As do clothing companies. As do banks. As do firearms manufacturers. As do computer makers. As do energy companies. As do tire and rubber companies.

      So what?

      There’s absolutely nothing immoral about contracting with the military. It’s a part and parcel of any national existence, and a legitimate function of government.

      • *Exactly* Why some tech employees get noisily butt hurt over their employer doing business with the military (which, in the case of Microsoft, they’ve been doing for decades) is beyond me. If you don’t like who your employer does business with, then quit.

      • There’s absolutely nothing immoral about contracting with the military. It’s a part and parcel of any national existence, and a legitimate function of government.

        Businesses don’t have morals – they have ethics. People have morals. Except people in upper management – upper management do not have morals. People in upper management understand that their workers have morals, and will often pretend to have the same morals – until the Almighty Dollar comes a-calling!

    • So you’d prefer that South Korea had been overrun by North Korea, to be part of the Kim dictatorship today? And Afghanistan under Taliban control. And Iraq/Syria under ISIL control. And Eastern Europe and Southern Asia under Communist control. And Western Europe under Nazi control? And most of the Pacific (including Australia) under the control of the Empire of Japan?

      So many people fail to take into account opportunity cost [wikipedia.org]. You can’t evaluate deleting something based solely on its cost. You have

      • And in case of the “US war machine”, deleting it means Western Europe would be under Nazi control

        Really? The Russians handled that problem pretty well.

        • Really? The Russians handled that problem pretty well.

          If you mean the Soviets were losing and sending women and children to the frontlines, until the winter cold snap hit so hard that diesel fuel started to turn solid effectively stalling the Nazi war machine…then I guess they handled it.

      • I agree, sounds more like Trump to me. Hell, he even claimed he was smart to get out of paying taxes.

        • One tax return released about Trump had him paying 35% tax rate so.

    • What an idiotic lawsuit. Fuck off Bezos. You’re a CIO too, and at the end of the day, you are free to choose the vendors you want.

      Can’t believe this arrogant prick is essentially shuttering the entire US retail industry, doesn’t pay taxes, and still has the balls to whine like this when he loses what amounts to pocket change.

      Unfortunately, it’s become common practice for the loser to almost automatically challenge a big defense contract in court. Boeing did it and won the tanker replacement contract, and now they’re making tankers that can’t do the job (as if we haven’t been making air refueling tankers since the freakin’ 1950’s. How hard can it be?). In the Pentagon, legal bills for challenges to lost contracts is now pretty much part of the cost of doing business.

      • In that case, the Air Force modified the requirements after the first round of bids were submitted, which clearly taints the process.

        If the government doesn’t follow its own rules in the process, it seems fair to redo the process.

        You’re vastly overstating the problems, too. They’ve done lots of test flights, and it can clearly do the job. It is missing a required indicator that helps let the pilot know that they’re making a mistake when they bump the stick during fuel delivery, and pilots have complaints th

        • I forgot to add, Boeing made the whole current fleet that is flying. It isn’t “we’ve been making air refueling tankers since the freakin’ 1950’s” and “they’re making tankers that can’t do the job.” Rather, they’ve been making most of the refueling tankers in the world, and they still are, and they didn’t follow the new spec precisely enough in this case. And they are making less money because of it, so maybe their bean counters will learn this time.

        • In that case, the Air Force modified the requirements after the first round of bids were submitted, which clearly taints the process.

          Which is pretty similar to the complaint here with Trump inserting himself late in the process. Even though I am not a fan of Trump this does seem like something within the bounds of the commander in chief’s authority though, but I am not a lawyer. And even most lawyers wouldn’t know much about government procurement contracts.

    • Actually, Bezos is not *completely* not free to choose anyone he likes. It matters *why* he likes a particular vendor. As the chairman of a publicly traded company, he can’t order Amazon to do things for his *personal* benefit. He has a *legal* obligation (a “fiduciary duty”) to look out for the interests of *all* stockholders.

      The President, likewise, is not supposed to use his office for his personal ends. He is certainly not allowed to use his authority to punish his personal or political enemies.

      In the

    • We’ve had our state sued for NOT picking the lowest bidder, for picking the lowest bidder, and having the lowest bidder sued by the highest bidder for defrauding the government. I don’t think I’ve seen the highest bidder winning triggering a lawsuit…because I don’t think the highest ever wins; but I’d be shocked if somebody didn’t sue.

      In my state, most every sizable government project ends up in court by one of the losers. Sure all the bidders may bribe people in various ways but only 1 can win and they

  • I use AWS day in / day out and love a lot of it. But JEDI is more than just the Cloud – enterprise software, hardened (real) computers, etc. This is stuff that AWS doesn’t do by itself.

    • Neither does MS, though I suppose you could call office enterprise software, but not good enterprise software. And “hardened (real) computers….bwahahaha…

    • For me I would never choose anything from MS to replace AWS, because for software AWS is a lot better, but I’d much rather have MS supplying the military. They have way more experience, and a more serious culture.

      Amazon is likely to ship stuff to a random address on a shipping blacklist by mistake, “oops, no big deal, just an off by one error when loading the list.”

  • But mom, Billy got a $10 Billion contract! I want one too!

  • It’s not uncommon for the government to say “no, you’re too big” and just give the contract to a competitor with a smaller footprint in that space. That may not sound fair or “good for taxpayers,” but the government does try to ensure that it never gets into the contracting version of regulatory capture where a single contract is in a position to start pushing back and controlling things (or jack them on price).

    • Sorry, Mikhail from Russia Today, but no, the US Government does not engage in that practice.

  • Customized BSOD screens for the Pentagon.

  • OK, so preceding and during and after 9/11/01 — when America was attacked at multiple sites, and over 3,000 perished, the SAIC [private gov’t contractor” was involved in hugh on-site contracts at both the FBI and NSA, and the massive tipoffs to 9/11 thus ignored!

    While I do not believe either Amazon nor Microsoft is qualified to handle this contract, since Amazon already has the contract with the CIA, it would be wrong to allow them to manage both contracts — we don’t want another 9/11!

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